The U.S. Senate recently passed a bill to provide another $60 billion to Ukraine’s war effort against Russia. Is it in America’s national interest to continue arming Ukraine? Is Washington helping to stop autocracy and safeguard the U.S.-led world order, or is it risking nuclear confrontation with Moscow and an expansion of the war into Europe? And why has the Ukraine issue revealed such deep divisions on the Right?
In the first episode of a new foreign policy podcast, Ying Ma hosts an lively debate with cohosts Stephen Bryen, senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and Yorktown Institute; and Doug Bandow, senior fellow at the CATO Institute; and guest Jacob Heilbrunn, editor of The National Interest.
You can listen and/or download on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Enjoy!

U.S. Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) met with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy during a visit to Kyiv, Ukraine on August 23, 2023.
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