Ms. Ma hosts “National Insecurity,” a podcast that explores U.S. foreign policy, international affairs, domestic politics, and more. Her cohost is Doug Bandow, senior fellow at the Cato Institute.
The podcast is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and other platforms.

Previously, Ms. Ma hosted a podcast titled “China vs. USA” and a radio show titled “China Takes Over the World.” More information about each show and select episodes are available below.
China vs. USA
China vs. USA explored China’s growing global influence and geostrategic competition with the United States. The podcast aired on Ricochet, a conservative podcast platform, from 2020 to 2022.
SELECT EPISODES
“Confronting China Without Starting a War,” August 6, 2020
- Guest: Admiral Gary Roughead, former Chief of Naval Operations, and one of two people in the Navy’s history to command both the U.S. Atlantic and Pacific Fleets.
“Conventional Wisdom Is Wrong About China,” April 22, 2022
- Guest: Doug Bandow, Senior Fellow, Cato Institute
“China Is a Significant, but Not an Existential, Threat,” June 30, 2022
- Guest: Andrew Nathan, Professor of Political Science, Columbia University.
China Takes Over the World
In 2014, Ms. Ma hosted a radio show called China Takes Over the World to explore the myriad issues related to China’s growing economic, political and military power.
While many in the West feared–and many in China hoped–that China will dominate the world in the 21st century, this show sought to highlight the issues related to the rise of China’s global influence.
China Takes Over the World aired on Radio 3 of RTHK, Hong Kong’s public broadcast station, and featured discussions with guests who were business executives, academics, policymakers, journalists and experts from Asia, America and beyond.
SELECT EPISODES
“China’s Economic Reform and Competitiveness,” February 22, 2014
Guests:
- Robert Herbold, former COO, Microsoft, and Managing Director, The Herbold Group
- Barry Naughton, Professor, Chinese Economy at the University of California San Diego; and editor, Wu Jinglian: Voice of Reform in China (MIT Press: 2013)
“Is the U.S. Pivot to Asia an Effort to Contain China?” May 10, 2014
Guests:
- Admiral Gary Roughead, U.S. Navy (ret.), former chief of naval operations, and one of only two officers in the navy’s history to have commanded both the Atlantic and Pacific Fleets
- Michael J. Green, Senior Vice President for Asia and Japan Chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies; and former special assistant to the president for national security affairs and senior director for Asia at the National Security Council during the George W. Bush administration
“China’s Economic Presence in Canada,” July 11, 2014
Guests:
- Wendy Dobson, Adjunct Professor and Co-Director for the Institute of International Business, Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto; and former Canadian Associate Deputy Minister of Finance
- Duanjie Chen, Research Fellow, University of Calgary School of Public Policy